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    09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:01 pm



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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by MikaRaymond on Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:33 pm

    this should be a very good race. its very hard to overtake unless someone makes a mistake - the only decent opportunity is along the straight. the bumps should play a big role too - people need to get the best out of the car setup-wise in order not to spin. cant wait Very Happy

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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Michele Campini on Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:37 pm

    Yes, setup is very important here !
    After some test i find that ARB rear we need to use at 0 because with all these bumps rear tyres need to works individually.
    This is a funny onboard with the mod sound in external cam and it's actually my PB.



    Here the setup used: http://www.g5c.com/prt/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/mugello-qual.zip
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by MikaRaymond on Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:48 pm

    ive been reading netkarcentral and it seems we have to use high soft / hard suspension due to all the bumps. the key, as you say, is in the ARB, because if you have it too high you just understeer and the tyres overheat in no time. ill take a look at the setup and report back to you Very Happy

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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Michele Campini on Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:51 pm

    I think that the value to see is the % of Roll.
    We have to use it, i think, near to 51% - 52% in qual and near to 52% - 53% in race.
    Value over 53% cause understeer after some laps and overburning of ant tyres.
    My setup is soft-medium.
    In Barcelona was more hard of course.

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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Michele Campini on Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:23 am

    Did some guys test my setup ?
    Any feed to improve it ?
    Andrea, can u upgrade the pdf files to see al the PB like u did for Barcelona 2010 ?
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:30 am

    Best Lap
    Avarage best 10 laps


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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Michele Campini on Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:33 am

    Thank u ! Very Happy
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Fred Gajira on Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:11 pm

    Michele Campini wrote:Did some guys test my setup ?
    Any feed to improve it ?

    I've test your set (great thanks for sharing ! ) pretty confortable for 1 or 2 laps, but goes too understeer for me even I decrease a lot camber and toe at front wheels
    On my own set, I've got a little bit more stiff ARB (10 front/12 behind) because I like more reactive cars, and I've 26/24 on aéro setting (less charge on tires)

    Also I begin to wonder if there is not a problem with new tires, because I've tried a lot of things for decrease front tires Temp ( I'm going over 130/120 °C after few laps Shocked ) but nothing is working....if someone have an idea I take it Laughing

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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Michele Campini on Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:15 pm

    It depends only from how many u steer during the corner.
    Try to put ffgain to 0.600 o 0.700 and so u can "prove" when your car is in understeer.
    Simple u need to steer less during the corner.
    The ks2 has this little problem, if u steer a lot ... u over burn your ant tyres and after u have only understeer.
    Try 26-22 ...
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Fred Gajira on Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:22 pm

    thanks for the advice Wink and I think you're wright
    I was thinking too about my driving style, but I'm already at 0.700 ffb gain (G25 with 100% in logitech panel) and it's difficult for mo to feel correctly when I steer too much

    I'll try lower values for ffb gain Very Happy

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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Michele Campini on Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:25 pm

    I use 400° in profiler and 12 steer ratio in profiler, i think with this setting we never need to steer more then 90° left or right else we risk understeering and overburning ant tyres.
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:33 pm

    cheater Wink (just kidding...everyone could do what he want) netKar PRO is done in a way that you should always have 900' on your profiler, then calibrate it in nkpro. nk will adapt your steering wheel for each car to the correct angle of rotation (900 for abarth, 400 for everything else).


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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Michele Campini on Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:37 pm

    400° in profiler and steering ratio at 12 is really near to be the real degres of the KS2.
    I want the finish "rotation" in my wheel, but if i use 900 he do not stop when he need to do ... Wink
    I prefer change every time the value in profiler because i use 3 Sims and each one is different about that.
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Fred Gajira on Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:11 pm

    Michele Campini wrote:I use 400° in profiler and 12 steer ratio in profiler, i think with this setting we never need to steer more then 90° left or right else we risk understeering and overburning ant tyres.

    thanks again for your good advice Michele Very Happy
    I've just tried 400° (I used to be at 270 ) : my times are same as with old steer range ( PB 1.27.2 with 50L of fuel) but there's no more excessive overburning at front tires bounce

    edit: I've just managed a 1.26.01 Shocked with 12L and my own set, pretty identical as yours (medium/soft), aero 28/26...the only big difference is in camber (-1.8/-0.8 for me) an toe (-0.2/0.2)
    maybe you should try this to improve yours

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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Michele Campini on Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:38 pm

    Nice Fred Wink

    I'm really sorry but only today i know that thursday i will be in varano circuit (350 km from my house) to do some track test with a formula car so i'll return home too late and too tired to do the race.

    Good Luck everyone !

    PS For Andrea: allocation updated.
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:40 pm

    Such I pity you can't join, Michele, but, from the other side, wonderful that you can have some more rear track experiences. Which car will be? Still related to the Trofeo MTV Abarth?


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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Michele Campini on Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:45 pm

    No, about that i tested the Punto Abarth in Varano 2 weeks ago during rain (OMG !!!!!!)

    Thuerday i'll test a Formula's Predator.


    It's not a KS2 .... but it's good the same LOL !

    PS Thank to my friend Riccardo that do this BIG gift to me ! I'm so happy to drive a formula in a real track OMG ! Very Happy
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Gianluca Bonifacio on Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:54 pm

    a quanto hai messo il gain?! asd

    figata! Wink


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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by giancarlo graziano on Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:22 pm

    ...michele che invidia....il sogno della mia vita e la bianca alle tue spalle...prima o poi... Rolling Eyes speriamo......


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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Vaggelis on Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:33 pm

    wow! ::dribble:: how lucky u are guys!!! Have fun man!
    Damn i want so much to drive real... blush
    Im watching Huttu again and again...so beautiful

    Hey Campini,Can u take videos like onbord to share with us? If u can pls do!
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Fabio Grippa on Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:45 pm

    Ciao Michele, I work just 3 km away from the Varano circuit, maybe I'll came there to see you at lunch time, I'll ask you some secret about KS2 (I'm too slow at Mugello!!!) I'm very happy about your test opportunity, have fun! See you on track!
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by MikaRaymond on Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:41 pm

    fantastic Michele! its a shame you cant race but its a very good and exciting thing youll be doing. have fun! Very Happy
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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:48 pm

    ATTENTION: Don't forget your allocation for the event.

    you can check the groups on the Entry List


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    Re: 09 Dec 2010: Mugello

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:40 pm

    As you all might have noticed, mugello has a peculiar starting straight, that is not exactly "straight"!

    Drivers starting on the right should give space to the one on the left, otherwise we will see some collision like the one showed in the picture, even before reachimg T1.
    Please be careful.





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