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    Michele Campini
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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Michele Campini on Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:47 pm

    Some guys ask me the set on the server so i've decided to share it.
    It's an hotlap set, so a lot oversteering, how i love the sets.
    If u find it too many oversteering simple decrease rear antiroll from 34 to 20 per example.
    My pb is 23 low.
    This is an onboard lap, not fast cause fps problem during "live" capture, but i hope can help u.

    The set:
    SPRING_LF=130.000000
    SPRING_RF=130.000000
    SPRING_LR=140.000000
    SPRING_RR=140.000000
    PACKER_LF=180.000000
    PACKER_RF=180.000000
    PACKER_LR=160.000000
    PACKER_RR=160.000000
    SLOWBUMP_LF=3450.000000
    SLOWBUMP_RF=3450.000000
    SLOWBUMP_LR=3450.000000
    SLOWBUMP_RR=3450.000000
    SLOWREBOUND_LF=6500.000000
    SLOWREBOUND_RF=6500.000000
    SLOWREBOUND_LR=7250.000000
    SLOWREBOUND_RR=7250.000000
    FASTBUMP_LF=600.000000
    FASTBUMP_RF=600.000000
    FASTBUMP_LR=600.000000
    FASTBUMP_RR=600.000000
    FASTREBOUND_LF=1300.000000
    FASTREBOUND_RF=1300.000000
    FASTREBOUND_LR=1300.000000
    FASTREBOUND_RR=1300.000000
    CAMBER_LF=-3.200000
    CAMBER_RF=-3.200000
    CAMBER_LR=-1.600000
    CAMBER_RR=-1.600000
    PRELOAD_LF=30.000000
    PRELOAD_RF=30.000000
    PRELOAD_LR=50.000000
    PRELOAD_RR=50.000000
    PREROD_LF=-60.000000
    PREROD_RF=-60.000000
    PREROD_LR=-80.000000
    PREROD_RR=-80.000000
    ARB_FRONT=40.000000
    ARB_REAR=34.000000
    TOE_LF=-0.200000
    TOE_RF=-0.200000
    TOE_LR=0.100000
    TOE_RR=0.100000
    BRAKEBIAS=57.000000
    DIFF_POWER=5.000000
    DIFF_COAST=25.000000
    DIFF_PRELOAD=25.000000
    STEER_RATIO=14.000000
    FINALRATIO=3.600000
    GEAR1=2.800000
    GEAR2=2.400000
    GEAR3=1.800000
    GEAR4=1.460000
    GEAR5=1.260000
    GEAR6=1.120000
    WING1=28.000000
    WING2=26.000000
    FUEL=10.000000
    FOV=50.000000
    SEATHEIGHT=0.060000
    SEATPOS=-0.140000
    FFGAIN=1.200000
    FFDAMPING=0.000000
    FFFRICTION=0.000000
    AUTOCLUTCH=1.000000
    AUTOCUTOFF=1.000000
    CUTOFFTIME=50.000000
    VMIRROR=1.000000
    CLUTCHSPEEDDN=50.000000
    CLUTCHSPEEDUP=200.000000
    PRESSURE_LF=18.200001
    PRESSURE_RF=18.200001
    PRESSURE_LR=18.400002
    PRESSURE_RR=18.400000
    BRAKES_MULT=100.000000

    The onboard:
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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by MikaRaymond on Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:48 pm

    any chance of uploading the actual set mate?
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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Albert McSaltens on Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:53 pm

    this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

    gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Michele Campini on Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:17 pm

    MikaRaymond wrote:any chance of uploading the actual set mate?

    Mate the last set is that u can see two post ago.
    The set used in the video can do 1.24 hight, the other posted 1.23 low.
    And if u test it u can see that gear are different.

    Respect the video u can use the same gear, only the left corner after the split u can do in 3° gear and not in 2° gear.
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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by MikaRaymond on Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:39 pm

    ah ok yes i see, thanks ;D

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by M Waechter on Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:43 pm

    Albert McSaltens wrote:this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

    gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

    This track we drive on is the old layout of the track -with the two fast corners at the end..-, the new one which is used since 2007 has a chiane in its last sector and laptimes are a few seconds slower now because of this. Before 2007 F1 cars drove laptimes around 1:15 - 1:16 min., so nothing is wrong with our car or track.


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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Albert McSaltens on Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:36 pm

    M Waechter wrote:
    Albert McSaltens wrote:this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

    gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

    This track we drive on is the old layout of the track -with the two fast corners at the end..-, the new one which is used since 2007 has a chiane in its last sector and laptimes are a few seconds slower now becasue of this. Before 2007 F1 cars drove laptimes around 1:15 - 1:16 min., so nothing is wrong with our car or track.

    you are wrong
    f1 use this layout since 2007 if you look real qualy laptimes 2010 f1 hispania and virgin lapped 1.25 and gp2 real cars 1.28 same layout
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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Albert McSaltens on Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:47 pm

    added fix 1.1 on first post

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by M Waechter on Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:25 pm

    Albert McSaltens wrote:
    M Waechter wrote:
    Albert McSaltens wrote:this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

    gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

    This track we drive on is the old layout of the track -with the two fast corners at the end..-, the new one which is used since 2007 has a chicane in its last sector, etc. and laptimes are a few seconds slower nowadays because of this. Before 2007 F1 cars drove laptimes around 1:15 - 1:16 min. on this old layout we use as well here in NKPro, so nothing is wrong with our car or track.

    you are wrong
    f1 use this layout since 2007 if you look real qualy laptimes 2010 f1 hispania and virgin lapped 1.25 and gp2 real cars 1.28 same layout


    Regarding the beta of this NKPro Barcelona track -we used for the last f1800 season- the track was all about the OLD layout which results in faster laptimes. I think the track developer didn't change it to the new layout in the last weeks/months -used since 2007 in real racing- or did he ?


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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Albert McSaltens on Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:29 pm

    M Waechter wrote:
    Albert McSaltens wrote:
    M Waechter wrote:
    Albert McSaltens wrote:this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

    gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

    This track we drive on is the old layout of the track -with the two fast corners at the end..-, the new one which is used since 2007 has a chicane in its last sector, etc. and laptimes are a few seconds slower nowadays becasue of this. Before 2007 F1 cars drove laptimes around 1:15 - 1:16 min. on this old layout we use as well here in NKPro, so nothing is wrong with our car or track.

    you are wrong
    f1 use this layout since 2007 if you look real qualy laptimes 2010 f1 hispania and virgin lapped 1.25 and gp2 real cars 1.28 same layout


    Regarding the beta of this NKPro Barcelona track -we used for the last f1800 season- the track was all about the OLD layout which results in faster laptimes. I think the track developer didn't change it to the new layout in the last weeks/months -used since 2007 in real racing- or did he ?

    we are not racing the same track as the 1800 championship we are using the 2010 layout lool look at the first post i posted the links there

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by M Waechter on Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:59 pm

    eehm yes, I watched a replay (video) of the track after I did my last post, now I see too that it's maybe different and the new layout is used now, didn't expected this.. Wink


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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Albert McSaltens on Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:08 pm

    Very Happy

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Michele Campini on Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:28 pm

    Thank u for fix Alberts ! Wink

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Martin Hussey on Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:41 am

    this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

    gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

    On a simulator, drivers are often quicker because theres no fear.you can drive at 110% all the time because if you fall off, you dont have to buy a new car Razz
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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Paul O'Brien on Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:28 am

    Martin Hussey wrote:
    this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

    gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

    On a simulator, drivers are often quicker because theres no fear.you can drive at 110% all the time because if you fall off, you dont have to buy a new car Razz

    True but not worth 3 seconds Wink
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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Albert McSaltens on Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:18 am

    real gp2 is 1.27 so maybe 4 to 5 seconds xD

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by M Waechter on Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:34 am

    I know another reason for this quite fast laptimes Smile , it is simply because
    Michele is the 'Barcelona-king' I guess Shocked , 1:23.x is really fast, you were also fast in the f1800 there I remember.. .
    In the last hours I downloaded the track and did my kind of setup.., but the fastest I can reach is a low 1:27 min. so far.. .

    A thing that maybe could be improved on the track:
    before and in the chicane the track is very bumpy, I always have to drive very slowly there to aviod losing the car on the bumpy ground.. .


    edit: I did some very little changes on my setup, gave a bit more stiff at the slow bump of the front axis, now the bumps are not so difficult to handle anymore.. .
    Improved also a bit, I can get into 1:25.x times. But I'm sliding much (..have set much less downforce than Michele), so the laps after the first one are much slower.


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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Albert McSaltens on Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:38 am

    lol michele from your setup this mean you use autoclutch lool??
    AUTOCLUTCH=1.000000
    AUTOCUTOFF=1.000000
    CUTOFFTIME=50.000000

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Michele Campini on Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:11 pm

    Yes, why ?
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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by giancarlo graziano on Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:48 pm

    senza AUTOCLUTCH devi giocare col piedino ...ma la risposta della macchina ben diversa...
    prova bisogna farsi la mano ..prima l usavo come te...poi.. da quando ho segito i consigli di Gilles...sono sceso di un secondo e piu su tutti i track..


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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Michele Campini on Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:54 pm

    Cosa ???
    Ma se è un cambio SEQUENZIALE cosa c'incastra la frizione automatica o meno ?!?!?
    In teoria dovrebbe aiutare SOLO quando esco dal box, nell'inerzia iniziale, poi stop !

    E poi giocare con il piedino, quale piedino e in quali circostanze ?

    Stiamo parlando della KS2 ricordo, non della 500.

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Michele Campini on Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:17 pm

    Allora mosso da curiosità ho provato.
    La risposta della macchina per me non cambia.
    L'unica differenza che c'è è che con il 90% del gas premuto la macchina non scala, per il resto non ho notato differenze !

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Michele Campini on Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:37 pm

    Uhm dopo aver sfruzzicato con il differenziale ho notato che in staccata effettivamente qualcosa cambia.

    Questo è un bel BUG però amici miei.

    Con un sequenziale come quello di una formula che la frizione sia auto o manuale NON DEVE CAMBIARE nulla !
    Specialmente in staccata ! Assolutamente nulla !

    Se prendete qualsiasi altro SIM con le auto con cambio sequenziale sia che usato la frizione automatico che manuale non cambia nulla.
    L'unica differenza che ci dovrebbe essere e che infatti almeno quella c'è è che non ti scala le marce sopra un certo regime con la frizione manuale ed è giusto cosi.

    Ma il comportamente del differenziale non può essere diverso perché ingannato dall'innesco di una frizione "automatica", che nella realtà avviene lo stesso anche per chi ha frizione manuale.

    Non so se mi sono spiegato ma se c'è un esperto di sequenziali forse ha capito lol. Very Happy
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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by laurent resende on Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:15 pm

    setting the differential as in reality has always had an influence on braking,particularly on the behavior of the car in the braking zones,

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    Re: Barcelona 2010

    Post by Martin Hussey on Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:25 pm

    I know we shouldnt need the barrier on the last corners to stop cutting, but there was just one guy who cut the corner every lap. i had to park at the side of the track to stop him taking the shortcut and cheating. Really needs a barrier there Sad

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