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    Post by ralekseenkov Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:22 pm

    Guys, here is a question.

    I ran BMW Z4 at Mugello with all assists disabled. The timing app shows that ABS is on, however I can clearly see that all assist circles are grayed out in the game. Is that a known issue? How do I debug it?

    Here is my profile:
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    Post by Pietro Belloni Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:07 am

    My time with Ferrari 458 and ABS default is no regirtered in ProRank, is my wrong?
    My profile: http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=driver_profile&id=867

    However good idea ProRank!!

    Edit: Now is OK... TNX
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    Post by Max Caputi Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:14 am

    laurent resende wrote:well done! currently limits track live timing is perfect! by penalty kicks against the Assetto sometimes after exams replays too severe! 1 wheel in the grass ::mad:: , which in itself is already an auto penalty! Oops! Assetto you glue 5 seconds, while the other 3 wheels on the track ::idea2:: ! Lol! if I understand what I was 5 seconds wheel out, so all 4 wheels! bah! that's 20 seconds! hahahahha hha!! ::cartOOPS:: 

    bien fait !!actuellement les limites de piste du live timing sont parfaites !!! par contre celle des penaltys Assetto sont parfois apres examens du replays trop severes !!! 1 roue dans l'herbe ,ce qui en soit est déja un auto pénalty !!oops !!assetto vous colle 5 secondes ,alors que les 3 autres roues sont sur la piste !!lol !!! si je je comprend bien c'est 5 secondes par roues dehors ,donc les 4 roues !!bah !!!cela fait 20 secondes !!!hahahahha hha !!!! lol!
    Si sono d'accordo. I agree with you ! Non c'è mai la giusta via di mezzo prima si poteva andare a campi, adesso sia la vostra applicazione che AC in alcuni punti sono eccessivi...Adesso appena si mette una ruota sul cordolo  5 secondi slow down o lucetta rossa !!  Very Happy 

    Mi stressava anche prima ma adesso la variante alta è quasi un incubo non si può neppure sfiorare il cordolo...mah.

    Cmq se non si riesce mai a trovare la giusta misura meglio adesso che prima !
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    Post by f.gek Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:36 pm

    Sarebbe interessante sapere quale sia la via di mezzo. Ci sono delle linee che definiscono la carreggiata  e 4 gomme dell'auto. Quando contemporaneamente le 4 gomme sono fuori dalla linea che definisce la carreggiata , il giro va invalidato. Lo so che quando fai un bel giro , a volte basterebbe un solo piccolo centimetro in  più, ma per un altro sarebbe bastato un millimetro .. La cosa giusta per noi è che devi stare in carreggiata tutto qui. abbiamo ricevuto replay di gente che chiedeva come mai fosse sempre invalidato un buon giro, riguardando il replay abbiamo rilevato 8 tagli in un solo giro. quindi in questo caso un chilometro di tolleranza non sarebbe stato sufficiente.
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    Post by M Waechter Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:30 pm

    henrizio wrote:I agree, every track should be reseted. Just Imola was the worst of all (still full of ridiculous sector times). If some didn't cut sure they can do the same or better lap again.

    IMO After every update all times should be reseted.

    No please not -deleting- after every update Very Happy, that would be crazy. So much trainig and hard work and then everything lost, no. Only when physics of a car (or the setup abilities of a car would look totally differnt from one version to another) would have changed dramatically and that did not happen so far.
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    Post by M Waechter Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:56 pm

    Btw.: Did at least the Lotus49 change a little bit or am I wrong ?
    I'm asking because at the times of v0.1 this car felt a little more quick (more power or whatever) to me. I did 1m30.5 back then @Monza'66 with default setup and maybe around 15 l fuel + tire wear on and was far away from a 100% perfect lap (5th gear instead 4th gear in first corner and took a longer way in the first corner) when I recorded that video, which I posted (link posted Mika's former yt thread). -When I would try the same again now since v0.3 or v0.4 with same settings&setup, I would barley manage to be as fast as in v0.1, I think.
    So I wonder, if s.th. has changed regarding this car, if so no much though, but maybe a little ?
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    Edit: When I watch my video, I can see and remember that it (the rear) was acting more agile/dynamic than now. Especially in the ascaris you could push more and even use 3rd gear in the first ascari, which now does not work anymore in the same way (because the way it steers has changed).
    Also -at least what I definately noticed immediately after the update to v0.2 or v0.3:- Back then in v0.1 RWD-cars got loose at the rear at a too fast downshift (like in the video at one time, as I shift to 2nd gear before last corner and the motorbrake makes the rear lose / the rear lock up a bit), which is (since v0.2 or v0.3) now much more save in such situations. So, all RWD-cars are more easy at at least the downshifting now, the rear does not lock up so much anymore or the handling has got more save now in such a case.

    Edit 2 Wink: Aha, forget about my previous written stuff in this posting, now I'm getting quicker. So after all I get to the laptimes, that I expected to be possible.
    I basically just used too much tire pressure (mid 20s psi), which works on some street cars and other cars as well (mid to mid-high tire pressures on this high speed track = quicker on straights), but there's no advantage doing that with the Lotus 49 & its particular tires (though too less pressure will make it too slow on straights either of course).


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    Post by Max Caputi Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:57 pm

    f.gek wrote:Sarebbe interessante sapere quale sia la via di mezzo. Ci sono delle linee che definiscono la carreggiata  e 4 gomme dell'auto. Quando contemporaneamente le 4 gomme sono fuori dalla linea che definisce la carreggiata , il giro va invalidato. Lo so che quando fai un bel giro , a volte basterebbe un solo piccolo centimetro in  più, ma per un altro sarebbe bastato un millimetro .. La cosa giusta per noi è che devi stare in carreggiata tutto qui. abbiamo ricevuto replay di gente che chiedeva come mai fosse sempre invalidato un buon giro, riguardando il replay abbiamo rilevato 8 tagli in un solo giro. quindi in questo caso un chilometro di tolleranza non sarebbe stato sufficiente.
    Al di là dell'ironia volevo sottolineare semplicemente che alla variante alta viene dato un taglio inesistente, e quindi non è una valutazione soggettiva mia ! Prima perdonava troppo soprattutto in entrata (primo cordolo) ed anche in uscita, ma adesso è eccessivo in senso opposto. Non credo sia necessario postare immagini a supporto, perchè basta provare  Wink 

    Appena si sale con solo due ruote ( e quindi 2 completamente sull'asfalto) sul primo cordolo lucetta rossa ! 

    Se poi ogni volta che scrivo qualcosa io è sempre sbagliata a prescindere potrebbe anche starmi bene, basta saperlo.

    Tanto a breve smetterò di postare dappertutto !  Very Happy 

    PS: Mi sembra che in alcuni punti (massimo un paio, per il resto tutto ok) dia taglio con due ruote su asfalto, tutto qua, ma probabilmente ho scritto io la solita cazzata.
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    Post by Booster Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:20 am

    chiedo scusa se è già stata data una risposta:

    è possibile cancellare un giro registrato in Live Timing?
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    Post by Andrea Lojelo Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:50 am

    Si. Guarda la guida
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    Post by Booster Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:29 pm

    Andrea Lojelo wrote:Si. Guarda la guida


    se intendi la "RSR Living Timing Guide" l'ho già fatto, ma le indicazioni non sembrano corrispondere, mi spiego:

    quando sono dentro il mio profilo, non c'è nessuna colonna "report" ne "delete" da cliccare o flaggare.

    sto sbagliando qualcosa?
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    Post by Andrea Lojelo Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:38 pm

    Devi fare login
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    Post by Booster Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:02 pm

    Andrea Lojelo wrote:Devi fare login

    dove devo loggarmi?

    sono già loggato su steam e su forum.radiator-champ
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    Post by Andrea Lojelo Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:17 pm

    Login tramite steam sul sito del live timing, come descritto nella guida
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    Post by rubberdog Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:20 pm

    can anyone help out? I'm trying to download the latest Version:2.0.006 but its a 0 bytes file?
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    Post by Davide Di Lodovico Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:00 pm

    Ciao a tutti,volevo sapere se qualcuno di voi sa come trovare degli assetti decenti,purtroppo non sono bravissimo a farli,se volete cmq ho il mio, fatto per silverstone international per la P4 2011 con cui ho fatto 1.01.944, ottimo tempo,se volete ci diamo una mano a vicenda
     Very Happy 
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    Post by andysubarugb Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:36 am

    Hi
    Have been trying to get mine to connect for a while now but can't seem to get anywhere.
    I'm running AC on Windows 7 x86, have windows firewall and third party firewall switched off but get these errors in the log, would appreciate any help :-)

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    06/01/2014 00:30:19 Richiesta aggiorna
    06/01/2014 00:30:19 Aggiorna classifica
    06/01/2014 00:30:19 hotlap
    06/01/2014 00:30:19 Giro annullato perche tutte le 4 ruote fuori tracciato
    06/01/2014 00:30:19 Invio dati ws non eseguito dati corrotti.
    06/01/2014 00:30:19 driver id name =-1
    06/01/2014 00:30:19 Giro non valido 0 0
    06/01/2014 00:32:00 Errore 20601 The operation has timed out
    06/01/2014 00:32:00 Errore 14000 AvviaConnessionePython String reference not set to an instance of a String.
    Parameter name: s
    06/01/2014 00:32:12 Client connesso ricezione dati
    06/01/2014 00:32:12 Dati splittati Aggiorna|1|3|27228|34472|51072|                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
    06/01/2014 00:32:12 Richiesta aggiorna
    06/01/2014 00:32:12 Aggiorna classifica
    06/01/2014 00:32:12 hotlap
    06/01/2014 00:32:12 Invio dati ws non eseguito dati corrotti.
    06/01/2014 00:32:12 driver id name =-1
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    Post by andysubarugb Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:44 am

    Fixed my name and that seems to be picking me up on steam now but still doesn't want to connect to server

    06/01/2014 00:40:35 Verione 1.0.0.20
    06/01/2014 00:40:35 C:\Program Files\Steam\SteamApps\common\assettocorsa\apps\python\RsrLiveTime
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 Verifica 1 eseguita
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 Crea shared
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 File mapping static crea view
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 Avvia shared dinamici
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 Connessione app
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 Connessione co app Python iniziata
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 Componenti creati attesa client..
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 File mapping dinamici inizio
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 File mapping Graphics creato
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 File mapping physics creato
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 File mapping gek creato
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 File mapping dinamici crea view
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 File mapping graphycs view creata
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 File mapping physics view creata
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 File mapping gek view creata
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 Giro non valido 0 0
    06/01/2014 00:40:36 Ac avviato
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 Client connesso ricezione dati
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 Dati splittati Aggiorna|1|3|0|0|0|                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 Richiesta aggiorna
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 Prima richiesta aggiorna
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 Leggo impostazioni pilota
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 carica settaggi
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 Percorso documents ac C:\Users\Andy\Documents\Assetto Corsa\cfg\
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 leggo i dati 3
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 leggo i dati 5
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 Percorso exe steamc:\program files\steam
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 Nomesteam andysubarugb
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 andysubarugb andysubarugb 76561198113931479
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 Persname andysubarugb valore andysubarugb
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 trovato id steam 76561198113931479
    06/01/2014 00:40:45 Richiedo aa ws id
    06/01/2014 00:42:25 Errore 20600 The operation has timed out
    06/01/2014 00:44:05 Errore 20602 The operation has timed out
    06/01/2014 00:44:05 Aggiorna classifica
    06/01/2014 00:44:05 hotlap
    06/01/2014 00:44:05 Invio dati ws non eseguito dati corrotti.
    06/01/2014 00:44:05 driver id name =-1
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    Post by Andrea Lojelo Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:05 pm

    I wanted to send you a PM requesting for more information, but you are not registered here, so I can't.
    Please send me a PM on Assetto Corsa forum.
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    Post by Booster Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:35 pm

    scusate, non so se è già stato affrontato l'argomento:

    l'attuale criterio con cui viene stilata la classifica dei tempi, non tiene conto del fatto che siano stati fatti con o senza gli aiuti alla guida.

    in qualsiasi competizione, secondo me, le regole e le categorie, sono fondamentali per stabilire chi è più bravo di un'altro.

    sarebbe sufficiente applicare dei filtri in modo che chi ha fatto il miglior tempo senza aiuti non sia classificato dietro al 45° tempo di uno che ha girato con antispin, abs e autoblip...

    comunque complimenti per la app, funziona bene e stimola la competizione  Cool
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    Post by Andrea Lojelo Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:06 pm

    i filtri saranno implementati quanto prima.
    Abbiamo comunque gia' sviluppato il PRO Rank, che permette di confrontati ad armi pari.
    Trovi maggiori informazioni sulla nostra guida
    http://www.radiators-champ.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=257&Itemid=115
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    Post by Max Caputi Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:46 am

    mcgiver87 wrote:Ciao a tutti,volevo sapere se qualcuno di voi sa come trovare degli assetti decenti,purtroppo non sono bravissimo a farli,se volete cmq ho il mio, fatto per silverstone international per la P4 2011 con cui ho fatto 1.01.944, ottimo tempo,se volete ci diamo una mano a vicenda
     Very Happy 
    Grazie
    La condivisione dei setup, specie per chi è abbastanza negato a farli come il sottoscritto, è sempre gradita. qui mi sa che siamo un po' OT. si potrebbe aprire un Thread specifico e cominciare a raccoglierli., confidando nella bontà dei "fenomeni". Qualcuno su DI si è già dimostrato molto generoso in tal senso...
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    Post by Davide Di Lodovico Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:04 pm

    Ok, va benissimo, almeno ci diamo una mano a vicenda,cmq se sei piu pratico crealo cosi ci mettiamo al lavoro.... Surprised
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    Post by giancarlo graziano Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:52 pm

    giusto per la cronaca....forse e lattesa della final???
    nel nostro team penso sia cosi....ho mi hanno degradato .....heeheheh
    per AC ancora nessun set neanche dal RSRteam..
    ..personalmente penso che poi ci sara una webpage dedicata...
     di sicuro..il fatto che sia una beta con cambiamenti limita sicuro i post e i lavori futuri ..almeno speriamo sia cosi visto le migliaia di possibilita che da ac///Ps io nn mi posso lamentare anzi.. son fortunatissimo
    ...essendo il vicecapo degli rsr con netkar  ho obbligato i due assi dei set gilles e gek..a passarmeli sempre ....e nn si son mai rifiutati anzi..
    ma per AC tutto tace..per ora
    (..il fatto che me li hanno sempre passati ha limitato moltissimo la mia evoluzione nel muovere i parametri...) 
    unaltra buona idea gia usata con gli rsr in nkp era mettersi in pista con teamspeak girare insieme e ascoltare i consigli degli alieni...molto utile e istruttivo imparare da i piu esperti LIVE!!!!!

    se puo essere utile..ho trovato un po di info base base...
    mi ha aiutato molto nella mia super ignoranza nel toccare i settaggi..
    ma quasi sicuro gia sapete.....

    our very first step should be confirming that you are driving at the absolute limit with the default set. Second step should be installing the performance shaper app to get an iRacing-like live-timing system to see EXACTLY where you need to improve.

    To gain some extra speed:
    Your first change should be tire pressure. On a track with many long straights (Vallelunga), bump up the PSI by 2 or 3 all around. On a track with many rhythm sections such as Imola, lower the PSI by 2 or 3. That'll get you more corner grip.

    The next change should be wing settings. Basically, you want the rear wing as low as possible without causing great amounts of oversteer. Experiment to find the best setting but usually I cut whatever the default wing amount is in half. You'll always want some amount of aero grip on the front end so I leave that setting stock. The exception to this is the Formula Abarth, which responds very well to 16/16 on the wings. My rule of thumb is that if there's giant wings on the car, they're probably there for a reason and you should use them.

    Fuelwise, most cars in AC begin with 30L, I cut that in half to 15L. Depending on the track, this'll get you anywhere from five to eight laps on a tank of fuel, more than enough to eat up the tires.

    The tires should be using as soft of a compound as you can. For fast times, anyways.

    Coast Diff is a simple handling fix; it'll make the car turn-in better by causing lift oversteer when you move the slider to the left. Very handy with the naturally understeering GT2 and GT3 cars. Ideally, you'll want a very SLIGHT amount of oversteer; you'll end up in the sand if you go to 0%, especially in cars like the Lotus 49.

    Rear camber is another handy fix that helps the car behave better in the corners. A negative value will help the car plant better in corners. Gotta really experiment with these settings but usually the default setup provides nice starting values. On places like Vallelunga with long sweeping corners, you'll want a bit more negative camber in order to get more power down on exit, whereas some of the faster tracks like Mugello don't require much rear camber at all because you're already hauling @$$.

    For hotlapping, wheel rate should be as low as it can go to stiffen up the suspension. This'll get you more straightline speed. Dropping the ride height a bit helps, too much will cause problems when you start to run over kerbs. Use your own discretion based on the track. Imola has some pretty steep kerbs whereas Vallelunga's are flat. If you see sky going into Tamburello, your car is too low, bro.

    Gearing, all you really need to adjust is final drive because the default values are quite good. Basically, you want to be around 2-3 mph away from hitting the chip at the end of the longest straightaway in high gear. Unless you're running at somewhere like Vallelunga Club, you won't need to touch the gearing as it's quite good by default for all cars.

    Brake bias is your final adjustment, and it is relative to the front end of the car (example, the value "70" means 70front/30rear). I rarely touch this, but there are some people who will benefit from it. Too much front bias and you'll loop the car. Too much rear bias and you'll create unnecessary understeer.

    Be smart and play around with the in-car aids. CTRL+T enables car-specific traction control, and CTRL+A enables ABS. ABS is a godsend. As for TC, you'll want the lowest setting possible for each car. For example, in the case of the Z4 GT3 car, which has 12 levels of TC available, level 1 is pretty much perfect for competitive times.

    Hope others can add more.
    The tricky bit about setups is when you have multiple options that effect the same outcome. Eg, wanting to increase front end grip by changing front wing, front tyre pressure, camber, toe, suspension, and anti-roll bars - and then the effects this has on other areas of the car that you also need to change. The tricky part is knowing how all these things work together and the effect they all have in unison. That is something that takes a hell of a long time to learn and isn't covered in any guide or pop-up dialogue box Smile

    For in AC, as far as hot-lapping goes, I always lower front tyre pressure and increase front negative camber no matter what car. But in general, for hot lapping, increase negative camber and lowering tyre pressures is helpful as a start.

    And yes, setups will shave off up to 1 or 2 seconds off most lap-times if you are driving the car at the limit. But you first have to be driving at the limit to really appreciate the small differences.
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    Post by M Waechter Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:14 pm

    Good posting Graziano ! (or whoever has written it Wink)

    -Tire pressures:
    My way until now was to balance the front & rear tire pressures by using a "tire pressure-/ tire heat-/ tire wear- showing live app" (found it somewhere at RD forum) for each car. When driving, the rear tires get more hot = causing higher pressure than at the front tires. If this is the case -not with all cars though, some car's pressures are already balanced with the same values at rear+front tires-, I increase front tire pressures for ~two klicks more than at the rear tire pressures, by doing this I get same pressures at front + rear tires when driving, which might lead to a better handling or balance of the car.

    -Tire camber:
    Generally said, slow and more tight tracks like Vallelunga club need less negative camber than faster tracks+much corners.
    But it maybe a bit of personal preference there. I set rear tire camber to the -in its certain setup possibility- lowest possible in street cars (and some else) = more grip and front camber to -1 to -1.2 degrees. These are less negative values than at the default setups. But sometimes you need indeed a bit more negative camber than just that -especially at the front tires- for being able to reach faster speed through faster corners (after some practice).
    And as always you sometimes need to tweak around there for each single car a bit as well, to find the best matching relation of front+rear camber car-& front to rear grip-balance.
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    Post by Max Caputi Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:42 am

    Per altro a conferma di quanto  scritto da Graziano, Aris ha appena annunciato su DI nel Thread da me aperto per segnalare alcune anomalie, che ci sarà un fix per l'ala della Tatuus nel prossimo update, e con rispettivo rank da rifare per l'ennesima volta  Laughing Credo i tempi varieranno...

    Del resto era evidente che con la Tatuus  si dovevano mettere le ali al massimo su tutte le piste per fare il tempo e quindi altrettanto evidente che qualcosa non quadrava.


    Aristotelis has just announced a fix for the wing's drag of Tatuus

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