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liotti69 wrote:

Andrea Lojelo wrote:IMPORTANT: all drivers in group A MUST provide a replay for their best lap.
Drivers that will not provide the replay of a valid lap will be disqualified from group A (will race in a different group)

We will provide more informations about how to upload the replay later on.

vedrai come si alzeranno i tempi ora!....

...il mio no !!! ho tutti i replay !!!

No corner-cutting allowed

What's the difference between 2nd and 4th picture? I can see internal kerb extension on both pictures.

Pavel Horak wrote:No corner-cutting allowed

What's the difference between 2nd and 4th picture? I can see internal kerb extension on both pictures.

In #2 you have a kerb extension, in #4 there is no kerb extention, just grass.
I'll copy here the 2 pictures you mentioned:

Andrea Lojelo wrote:Valid: internal kerb estension: the car touches the kerb


Not Valid: the car is beyond the with line

Andrea Lojelo wrote:
In #2 you have a kerb extension, in #4 there is no kerb extention, just grass.

I misunderstood term "kerb extension", I can see it now. Thanks.

Andrea Lojelo wrote:IMPORTANT: all drivers in group A MUST provide a replay for their best lap.
Drivers that will not provide the replay of a valid lap will be disqualified from group A (will race in a different group)

We will provide more informations about how to upload the replay later on.

Prequalification will be closed on Thurday at 10:00 AM, so that we will have time to review the top 15 replay.
That is the deadline for submitting the replay via our Ticket System too.

Drivers that will not submit the replay on time, or that will whose lap is invalid will be dropped out group A.

Please send your lap only when it's final.
Replay should be edited in nk to contain only the lap to be analyzed. Please include the last corner of the previous lap too. This is to ensure that you didn't take any advantages coming from somewhere else than the normal racing line to get more speed.

Just to make it a bit more clear for the specific case of Monza:



We expect drivers to use the rules we have in a sensible way. Rules are there to set the boundaries. We expect anyone to drive well within the boundaries.

During the race as well, in case you cut the corner too much, you need to lift the throttle to compensate for your error.

We expect everyone to drive in a way that "feels" right.
The verification team will watch the replay carefully, and will penalise even in case of few cm off the boundary limit.
This is because we expect you to drive far from them. If you have the doubt you cut too much, it's usually because you are going already too close to the limit, and this is not what we want.

Please don't even submit laps that are against the rules above.
If your best lap is done cutting, please write a PM to Luca Mosca, so he can remove it from the live timing.

Thanks for your help.

Personally I would suggest to regard some cm of the red-painted area on the curb extensions belonging/counting to the curb as well at this
particular circuit especially. Bescause it is easy to get with one (front-)wheel a little bit on the red area, at edgy curbs like the left one at chicane 1 and the right one at chicane 2.
Also all the grey (metallic) extensions of the asari chicane on the right side you can slide on very easily, when you make a small mistake at the entry of the ascari + driving quick, so I would suggest to especially not disqualify people, who get very slightly on that silver-grid for just a little moment as well.
-For example I slided a bit at the entry of ascari at my current fastest lap (edit: not current anymore it happened at the older 1:52.603 and even worse at the 1:52.2xx -beside the track at the end of ascari at the last mentioned one, like Schumi always did there in '10 or '11-) and got on the small silver curb extension on the right side beside the curb, those things can happen very easily here and there in some of your laps at the limit.

I fear otherwise half of the laps of the quickest guys will be disqualified, -when you drive at the limit you can get on the red area with one wheel very easily at some of your laps by 'mistake' and same for the spoken grey extension at the ascari, though it happens without any intentiion to do so.


So I would suggest to only disqualify people, who touch the green-extension with at least one of the outside wheels. But as long as just one of the outside wheels still touches the first part of the red-areas it should be still almost 'legal' -that should be then the limit in my opinion-. If someone drives fully over the red-areas with both outside wheels it should be illegal then.
I know all this stuff is difficult to handle [I know those minor general things can lead to endless discussions easily, but I hope it will not...],
but keep some 'free-room' (some little more space) and lets keep the first centimeters of the red-areas as legal ones too at this track, as long as just one outside wheel fully touches it and the other one still mostly touches the real red-white curb area.

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Well after all, it's the decision of the organisers of course. I'll try to adopt my driving / the laps I do and brake more at certain points inner the chicanes in case to not drift over these certain following curbs, if the red-area
and grey-area on the right side at the beginning and end of ascari (+ the lesmos) will striktly stay prohibited.

M Waechter wrote:Bescause it is easy to get with one (front-)wheel a little bit on the red are

Marco, the rule says:

Andrea Lojelo wrote:
No corner-cutting allowed
Rule9:Corner-cutting is not allowed. The rule is that drivers must have two wheels touching (in any way) or be exactly vertically above the track at any time during the lap.
The white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not and. Where a kerb extension is present, the kerb is considered part of the track.
A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.
Should a car leave the track for any reason, and the driver may rejoin. However, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage.
Repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the car will be penalized.

as you can see from the images also, you can go with one front wheel off track (out of the curb limit). You must have always 2 wheels (usually the internal one) inside. See the Valid (almost at the limit) examples.

The main idea is thea the black part is the track. You can cut a bit over the curb, but not that much. You shouldn't aim for the extreme limit, but you should try to make the corner in a "normal way".

If you'll check some videos, you will see that in real life this is the way real drivers drive there. They always stay well within the curb (FIA rules are much more strict).

In the last years they've changed curbs at Monza increasing the height of the external red curb. This is what happen if you go over it

I'll try. The main problem is the second (right) curb at chicane two, the track isn't very wide (there) and you come easily with some understeer + slide towards the curb, which leads automatically to get over the red a little bit. Also when you drive the lap, out of the (your) cockpit it always looks like if you still hit the curb with both wheels, in replay sometimes it (the cars body) looks more far away than you expected (like always in Sims). My current 1:52.080 touches only veery slightly the curb in chicane 2 still, it is still pixel by pixel close to the real 'red-white' curb, so I hope it is valid.
The curb is very small (thin) there at the chicane 2, so easy to get aside of it.

In real racing they at least drive off track at the exit of ascari (in F1) sometimes, but when you don't understeer you can manage without getting too wide at the exit, probelm is that in not every lap you can manage to aviod it maybe.

Here is the schedule:
Prequalification until Thurday 26 April 2012 at 10:00 AM.
drivers from 1 to 15 in group A NOTE: replay of the lap needs to be submitted using our ticket system
drivers from 16 to 30 in group B

Thursday 26 April 2012
21:00 (CET, UTC+1) Briefing in our Chat
Qualification: 15 minutes. No restriction on the amount of laps
Warmup: 5 min (waiting time before the race session)
Race 1: 7 laps
Warmup: 5 min (waiting time before the race session)
Race 2: 12 laps (inverted grid)

Races will NOT be in Full Mode.

VERY IMPORTANT
Please make sure you download this update:netKar PRO v1.30.1727 RSR update

we will reset laptimes for the prequalification, since times are slower in the new release.
We will select automatically times after the start of the new server. Yesterday's times will count.

ah, all right , was just wondering what happened to the live timing laptimes (I at first thought to clean up some possible earlier cutted laps it was resetted) and I also recognized that the times might be slower now. I this the case for all cars ? (would be bad for all the v1.3 final laptimes on the rank), maybe it will 'corrected' in the final release of the update, so that timing is the same again (?). If physics changed slightly in general (seems so at the Gvb, but almost not recoginzeable for me) for all cars then it is impossible to adjust s.th. at the timing of course.

ok, back to the track to do some better (more decent ) lap.. .

Andrea Lojelo wrote:we will reset laptimes for the prequalification, since times are slower in the new release.
We will select automatically times after the start of the new server. Yesterday's times will count.

DONE.
Live Timing updated with times set only with the new release