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    8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:24 pm



    Welcome to the eight and last race of the KS2 Series 2011.05: A1-Ring

    Here is the schedule: 21:00 (GMT+1)

    Briefing in our Chat

    Qualification: 20 minutes. No restriction on the amount of laps

    Warmup: 5 min (waiting time before the race session)

    Race 1: 35 laps


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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Andrea Lanzino on Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:33 pm

    avevo chiesto se si poteva postporre visto che sarà festa in italia...?
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    @lojelo andrea hai un mail puoi leggerla e dirmi cosa ne pensi

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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Antonio Lallo on Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:59 pm

    Mi associo alla tua richiesta Andrea! Tanto è gara di recupero, non era nel calendario... Razz
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Vyacheslav Potapenko on Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:13 pm

    please reset drivers allocations as they keep setting from original first race
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:11 am

    what's the problem there, Vyacheslav? users can modify their allocation if needed, or delete it.


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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:16 am

    Andrea Lanzino wrote:avevo chiesto se si poteva postporre visto che sarà festa in italia...?
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    @lojelo andrea hai un mail puoi leggerla e dirmi cosa ne pensi
    scusa Andrea, leggo il tuo messaggio solo ora. Non credo sia possibile posticipare ancora la gara, anche perche' sarebbe ormai troppo tardi per annunciarlo. mi dispiace.


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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Vyacheslav Potapenko on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:57 am

    what's the problem there, Vyacheslav?
    well, I see issue in how we manage allocations. Many times it looks like group A is full and group B is only 2-3 drivers but in reality when race starts group A is only 12-13 people (so those 2-3 people from B were able to drive in A). People allocate group A seat but do not join the race.
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:10 am

    I fully agree with you. I really think this isn't nice and completely unrespectful.
    The problem for me is that gpcos doesn't offer a administrative interface to delete allocation from an admin prospective, and my only option is to spend some time to do it manually deleting stuff from the db.

    Maybe we can double check it in chat, if everyone in group A is actually there, and eventually move someone from B to A.


    Not updating the allocation, or having a late allocation, is a big issue for me too. I rely on that to organize servers, asking some friends to use their server too.

    I really wish everyone can help out with this, and modify their own allocation. It will save all of us a lot of time during briefing and a lot of my time too.
    Thanks for the understandings.


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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Vaggelis on Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:24 pm

    U can solve it Andrea this with a penalty for next race if someone doesnt appear(point penalty maybe? nice and easy).
    As respect for the guys that support the champ Wink
    U may say that u dont want to put penaltys but thats racing,put penaltys! Racing its not only driving,its many more things and obeying rules inside and outside of track
    (at least for next champs Wink)
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:50 pm

    this is already planned for the next champ, actually.

    It means some more work for me, though. I will need to automate this, somehow, together with other tasks I do after every race to clean up the results.


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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Pobb R Tippet on Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:04 pm

    Well hopefully I will be joining everyone for the next KS2 race (if i am not too busy),

    I watched the replay of the last KS2 race and it was really good in group A, there were a few in there not obeying flags and things, maybe those should be penalized by moving them into group B if there are too many drivers in A, so if there are people in there who in the last race, blocked someone when being lapped or took someone out purposely they would be the first choice of people to be moved into B?

    I don't know its a hard one to call and I can see it from both sides people allocating and not turning up or at least changing their allocation and then people being moved into group B would be frustrating if there are slots in A being taken up by people who drive dangerously then quit halfway through a race anyway.

    Maybe having a driver register? but that would mean Andrea and the guys would have alot more work to do, checking names off against a list of the allocations before the race with the drivers in the chat room would be time consuming. And to be honest they do a fantastic job of organizing things already and have it down to a very quick process and doing something like that would slow it down.

    I don't know if there is a solution, but thats only way I can think of dealing with the allocation problem, and I don't think its a very good idea.

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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by M Waechter on Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:56 am

    Hmm, I'm losing most of the laptime in the second sector, really fast guys there on this track in second sector.
    But ~1.5 sec. I'm slower to the top is still my normal gap to the aliens, so my time not that bad.

    I will probably not drive on Thursday -sad, 'cos it's the last race..-, because I have to do some test for the studying at that time (a kind of online-test on Thusday).
    I'll see how how all will look like on Thursday.., if I'm not showing up in the chat I'll not drive and the slot will be available for another driver.
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Vyacheslav Potapenko on Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:02 am

    I did improve my time from like 1.17 to 1.14 just starting to move steering wheel more aggressively in turns: 1, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10. Literally just through your car in direction just before apex point (it will slide a bit to hit apex so line will be ok once car reach that).

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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by M Waechter on Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:56 am

    I use a different setup with just 46 % ARB at front, so the car acts more like a kart in the rear, so throwing around the car does not work with such a setting I use Wink.
    I need to be soft and smooth when cornering with this setting, seems to work on such a flowing track like A1 Ring / at Interlagos it worked also I found out after that event.

    I guess you guys using highest wings/downforce ? I remember I used just 1 rear wing back in a race with v1.2c, didn't work well (too slow) of course, though it was
    fun on the straights Wink. I'm using 5/16 at the moment (ride-high difference from front to rear is 30 mm, to get still s.th. around '3.0% aero (rear)' with that less front wing.
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by MikaRaymond on Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:06 pm

    i use max wings for every race, with the rear being 2 less than the front.

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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by M Waechter on Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:23 pm

    MikaRaymond wrote:i use max wings for every race, with the rear being 2 less than the front.


    You could try to set the front-wing to much less angle and compensate the understeering by using more ride-high of the car in the rear by adjusting the rear-rod, you'll have definately more topspeed
    with less front-wing, though there might be a bit less downforce in some corners then, because of less ground-effect with such a high rear.
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by MikaRaymond on Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:34 pm

    im pretty happy with my setups at the moment mate. of course im always looking for ways to get faster so ill give your theory a try. thanks Wink

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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by M Waechter on Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:32 pm

    I tried your kind of wing-setting a few minutes ago and you're right.. -it's still faster regarding the whole laptime- and I can go more constant with that now almost identical ride-high at front&rear than with my
    other described way when using less frontwing + high rear, though it's really sometimes up to 15 km/h faster on certain straights (not all of course, most advantage is at uphill straights).
    My hint might work well on tracks with many short corners, like on street circuits (Adelaide with the long straight and perhaps Monaco), but not so well
    at corners like the last two ones at A1 Ring.


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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by M Waechter on Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:34 pm

    btw. at the moment the server list -'server' in NKPro is down, no server visible there.. -what might be the problem there ?
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by MikaRaymond on Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:17 pm

    i think you need to get the whole idea of "top speed" out of your head. you gain much more time through the corners with higher wings than you would on the straights. an extra 10kmh different on the straights of interlagos (for example) would equate to 0.1/0.2sec, whereas the time youll gain through the corners with full wings would be the best part of a second, meaning the overall laptime would be quicker. (obviously this theory changes at tracks like monza).

    more downforce also helps you to maintain tyre temperatures and grip throughout the entire race, leaning to more consistent laptimes. it reduces the chance of you sliding and allows you to push harder than you would normally be able to with less downforce. its a win-win situation in my eyes, but everyone has different driving styles and there are limitless possibilities with setup options.

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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by M Waechter on Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:28 pm

    You're right, it's of course much better for long stints. I'm just not sure if there is really in fact less downforce with my way of less front wing + higher rear (once you got the aero balance the same again as before),
    or if there is just less 'grip' becauee of the high rear and resulting less 'ground-effect', ..but doesn't matter. ..Probably there really is less downforce with less front wing like you said -even if you set car to the same
    aero balance in the aero-calc. for both ways-, would be logical of course.

    A shame that I did not use your setup-kind more often (regarding the wings), I was always going for some less front-wing by using some more ride high at rear, now I see it was not all through an advantage.
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by MikaRaymond on Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:57 pm

    less wings = less downforce = less grip.

    we all go through periods of testing and sometimes find things that work and dont work - thats what testing is for Wink

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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by M Waechter on Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:17 am

    Ok, in next champ. I'll blast away all of the alien invaders with my now 'new 100% logical knowledge regarding the wings' *joking*.
    At least I might reduce my gap from 1.5 sec. to 1 sec. per lap to alien's laps in future, like it was the case in Monza where everyone used quite the same wings of course.
    At least I got now some motivation left for further races, doing it in a better way with my setups than I used to.. .
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by MikaRaymond on Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:24 am

    lets hope everyone picks up some speed in time for the start of the next champ. i plan to be there and hopefully some new guys will appear too Wink
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    Re: 8 Dec 2011: A1-Ring

    Post by Pobb R Tippet on Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:58 pm

    I am looking forward to tonight, my first race in the KS2 champ (shame its come at the last race of the season). Should be alot of fun!

    See you all tonight guys

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